Because I loves me discussion.
My general review on the new Star Trek movie is in this post here. There are no specific spoilers for the plot of the movie in that post, and no character spoilers other than those which have been shown in the trailers.
So, I enjoyed it - all of it.
Then again, I am a major sucker for time-travel stories - stories where the characters have to loop around the complicated merry-go-round of deja vu and the grandfather paradox, and the use of Leonard Nimoy as the 'original' Spock was awesome - as was the way that he addressed Kirk and the way that the young Kirk now saw the things in the older Spock that he hadn't in the younger.
The idea that this is really a spin-off from the series continuity was awesome; a way to satisfy both the old-time fans and bring in the new. It really is Star Trek, but it really is going boldly where Star Trek hasn't gone before.
Favourite moments? Any scene involving Chris Pine. I mean, I still remember him as the Duke's nephew in The Princess Diaries 2 (it was the worst angst-ridden evil uncle plot I've ever seen, but it was Disney) romancing Anne Hathaway's Princess Mia, but the boy has grown up and manages to carry off Kirk's charm and womanising, even while portraying the reckless edge in the fatherless boy from Iowa.
Spock and his family - I haven't seen Winona Ryder in years; probably not since...oh, gosh, Little Women. It was a shock to see that she's aged since I still have her in mind as an unlined thirty-something. But I loved her as Spock's mother, and the dynamics between her and her son, her and her husband, between Spock and his father - between Quinto!Spock and Nimoy!Spock were all well-done. I don't know if the dynamic was quite so angst-ridden in the series, but they played it pretty strongly here.
The redshirt scene? Hilarious. Karl Urban as Bones? Wonderful. John Cho as Sulu? Awesome. I'm glad they limited Simon Pegg's part in the screenplay - Pegg's a brilliant actor, but the story's not about Scotty and it would become that way, simply because Pegg's one of those actors who pours his heart and soul into it all. The man would otherwise take up way too much screen.
I loved that Kirk and Spock weren't friends from the start - that they came first to grudging respect and only later to friendship. I'm sure the original slashers will love that, too. And, possibly, my favourite scene in the movie is the bit where Kirk offers bad-guy Nero the opportunity to come in and face up to his crimes, and Spock and Kirk have this little 'aside' discussion about who's on board with this idea.
Although it took me a moment to get over the idea that it wasn't going to be Kirk/Uhura, I rather like the Spock/Uhura angle. Although I'd have been way happier if Uhura had gotten to be seriously kickass at least once in the movie. There were hints of it, but no actual being kickass.
The only part that I'm not 100% sure I bought was the bad guy, Nero. I know nothing of the Romulans, or if this kind of storyline is usual for Star Trek; but Nero felt very much like an afterthought - a plot device. The story was less about the conflict with him and more about how the Enterprise came to be under Kirk, and the conflict that led up to that, one of which happens to be Nero messing with the timeline. He is the major antagonist, but he's not the major conflict, if you get my drift.
Still, I consider Star Trek good enough to go see again with a couple of friends in Gold Class on Tuesday. And I want to soak in some of the ideas that might have hop-skipped past me last time.
Do other people have thoughts on this? I've seen the short responses, but what I really want to see is discussion and people weighing in - particularly the old-skool fans.
My general review on the new Star Trek movie is in this post here. There are no specific spoilers for the plot of the movie in that post, and no character spoilers other than those which have been shown in the trailers.
So, I enjoyed it - all of it.
Then again, I am a major sucker for time-travel stories - stories where the characters have to loop around the complicated merry-go-round of deja vu and the grandfather paradox, and the use of Leonard Nimoy as the 'original' Spock was awesome - as was the way that he addressed Kirk and the way that the young Kirk now saw the things in the older Spock that he hadn't in the younger.
The idea that this is really a spin-off from the series continuity was awesome; a way to satisfy both the old-time fans and bring in the new. It really is Star Trek, but it really is going boldly where Star Trek hasn't gone before.
Favourite moments? Any scene involving Chris Pine. I mean, I still remember him as the Duke's nephew in The Princess Diaries 2 (it was the worst angst-ridden evil uncle plot I've ever seen, but it was Disney) romancing Anne Hathaway's Princess Mia, but the boy has grown up and manages to carry off Kirk's charm and womanising, even while portraying the reckless edge in the fatherless boy from Iowa.
Spock and his family - I haven't seen Winona Ryder in years; probably not since...oh, gosh, Little Women. It was a shock to see that she's aged since I still have her in mind as an unlined thirty-something. But I loved her as Spock's mother, and the dynamics between her and her son, her and her husband, between Spock and his father - between Quinto!Spock and Nimoy!Spock were all well-done. I don't know if the dynamic was quite so angst-ridden in the series, but they played it pretty strongly here.
The redshirt scene? Hilarious. Karl Urban as Bones? Wonderful. John Cho as Sulu? Awesome. I'm glad they limited Simon Pegg's part in the screenplay - Pegg's a brilliant actor, but the story's not about Scotty and it would become that way, simply because Pegg's one of those actors who pours his heart and soul into it all. The man would otherwise take up way too much screen.
I loved that Kirk and Spock weren't friends from the start - that they came first to grudging respect and only later to friendship. I'm sure the original slashers will love that, too. And, possibly, my favourite scene in the movie is the bit where Kirk offers bad-guy Nero the opportunity to come in and face up to his crimes, and Spock and Kirk have this little 'aside' discussion about who's on board with this idea.
Although it took me a moment to get over the idea that it wasn't going to be Kirk/Uhura, I rather like the Spock/Uhura angle. Although I'd have been way happier if Uhura had gotten to be seriously kickass at least once in the movie. There were hints of it, but no actual being kickass.
The only part that I'm not 100% sure I bought was the bad guy, Nero. I know nothing of the Romulans, or if this kind of storyline is usual for Star Trek; but Nero felt very much like an afterthought - a plot device. The story was less about the conflict with him and more about how the Enterprise came to be under Kirk, and the conflict that led up to that, one of which happens to be Nero messing with the timeline. He is the major antagonist, but he's not the major conflict, if you get my drift.
Still, I consider Star Trek good enough to go see again with a couple of friends in Gold Class on Tuesday. And I want to soak in some of the ideas that might have hop-skipped past me last time.
Do other people have thoughts on this? I've seen the short responses, but what I really want to see is discussion and people weighing in - particularly the old-skool fans.
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We can only hope that Uhura will get a chance to be truly kick-ass in the sequel. And actually, imho, it makes a lot more sense with old school cannon for her to be with Spock than with Kirk, if she's gotta be with one of them--she and Kirk never really interacted much outside of the bridge and purely professional things, apart from a single kiss that was quite literally "aliens made them do it." (Which was the first interracial kiss on television.) She shared some interests with Spock outside of work--they both played instruments and sang in the rec room on occasion.
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Star Trek - It only took me forever to see it
I'm not sure how much of an Old Skool fan I am. I saw the show as a kid and a few years ago got the DVD of all Old Skool episodes. Watched Next Gen on and off but have not seen all episodes. Loved Deep Space Nine.
Anyway, I saw it with a bunch of other sort of fans and we all agreed that while the movie had it's flaws and ridiculousness, it managed to get the nostalgia moments just right and that gave if life and soul. Something that IMO most remakes that were done recently really didn't manage to bring across.
All in the group thought that Spock/Uhura was really not particularly well justified in the story (less that we didn't see how it came across, but more that if Nero's main influence was only to kill Kirk's father that should really affect neither Spock nor Uhura and explain why their paths are now like that; though maybe the fanwank explanation could be that that means that original timeline Spock and Uhura maybe did have something in the original timeline too and it just ended/petered out before the beginning of the original series because the crazy events of this movie never happened). But other than that nobody was particularly bothered by it. I have to say I was really fond of particularly the parts where Spock acknowledges that it is real (telling her he'll be back, telling Kirk to relay a message to Uhura if he doesn't make it).
I too thought that Uhura was given too little chance to kick ass but like everybody else I hope for more chances in the next movies.
Considering all the bad I had heard about Nero I thought he would be much worse and based on my negative expectation, I didn't find him too bad except that the "culture shock" of seeing the Romulans having such a vastly different look than from what I'm used to was even worse than with federation.
Ultimately I think it was good entertainment and while it wasn't earth movingly ingenious I think it did a good job of setting up those new characters, making them actually feel like new enough characters that you want to see their journeys too (just how fucked up is it gonna make the timeline if Spock can give them about 100 years of scientific developments and revelations 100 years earlier?).
Re: Star Trek - It only took me forever to see it
Well, it seems that there are hints that the timeline's already been screwed.
1. Uhura orders a Cardassian drink at the bar in Iowa. However, according to the 'Prime' timeline, the Federation didn't meet the Cardassians until after Kirk commanded the Enterprise.
2. Spock comments that the Vulcans and Romulans have common ancestry. But they only learn about this in the 'Prime' timeline after the Enterprise is assembled.
3. Kirk has an older brother in the 'Prime' timeline, but there's no hint of it there - although the argument goes that the voice on the phone when the kid Kirk runs off with the vintage car was his brother, the credits read 'stepdad'.
I'm sure there's a site somewhere that details the various ways in which the Abrams!verse differentiates from Star Trek Prime.